How could visitor safety at The Wave be best improved? (mouse-over for help)
Selection Votes 
No changes to the current system are needed 11%572 
Increase the number of ranger patrols 5%279 
Increase the number of daily permits 34%1,762 
Install an "unobtrusive" cell phone tower 10%496 
Close the area on "un-safe" days  3%170 
Allow the permit holder to choose any one day in the permit month to hike in 10%513 
Relocate the parking area to the Coyote Buttes boundary 2%117 
Add additional trail markers / cairns 24%1,240 
5,149 total 

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 Posted by Neil  February 27, 2017 at 10:08 amFrom 24.40.81.x  Report Abuse 
 
Too many people are showing up without permits, water and food and dressed like they are going to hike in a big city park.
     Posted by Vicki in reply to Neil  April 27, 2017 at 10:04 amFrom 170.146.221.x  Report Abuse 
     
    Hi Neil. I could not agree more. We have been there a few times and folks are just "wondering" around. No permit. Come on right? and they are not wearing anything appropriate. Flip Flops are not conducive to good hiking experience. COMMON SENSE folks
     Posted by jeff thomas in reply to Neil  April 10, 2017 at 7:28 pmFrom 24.237.158.x  Report Abuse 
     
    let evolution take its course
 Posted by Jeff Walters  February 9, 2017 at 10:34 amFrom 174.205.20.x  Report Abuse 
 
Due to the fragile landscape, I understand the limited number of permits. However, priority should be given to those who have never been. It's ridiculous that some people can apply month after month with no success while others win multiple times.
 Posted by Jim  December 23, 2016 at 10:14 amFrom 71.245.67.x  Report Abuse 
 
Please don't add more permits. If anything increase the patrols to keep people honest. The Wave is a special place. Please keep it special.
     Posted by phil in reply to Jim  January 8, 2017 at 3:21 pmFrom 76.27.68.x  Report Abuse 
     
    People visiting the wave have died in the extreme heat because they were isolated with no one else out there to help them, and because they got lost with the vague directions and lack of trail markers
       Posted by jeff thomas in reply to phil  April 10, 2017 at 7:36 pmFrom 24.237.158.x  Report Abuse 
       
      maybe they should read the numerous warnings issued by BLM, we cant sanitize the world for the unfit, how much more power do you want to cede to the federal monster? There is a cop everywhere you look out there, grow up.
       Posted by Lu in reply to phil  January 29, 2017 at 4:03 amFrom 84.56.74.x  Report Abuse 
       
      it is a tragedy that people have died ...
      but if you are prepared, bring enough water, have a GPS with the track already installed, and follow the very good foto instructions given by the BLM , given with the permit ...
      you can't got lost.

      Keep the place like it is, unique and remote
      and prepare if you are going there.
     Posted by Joe Meglen in reply to Jim  January 6, 2017 at 5:39 amFrom 74.211.3.x  Report Abuse 
     
    There are a lot of special places besides The Wave. Just 21 permits per day is way too few and not justified. Give people a chance!!
 Posted by Robert  December 16, 2016 at 7:37 amFrom 159.53.46.x  Report Abuse 
 
If there are a lot of people cheating and not getting permits my opinion is to increase the patrols. This month has almost 1800 requests which at $5 a pop is a good chunk of change to invest in enforcement. I also think if you keep out the cheaters you should increase the number of legitimate permits.
 Posted by KKH  October 19, 2016 at 12:36 pmFrom 24.21.206.x  Report Abuse 
 
Leave the place as is. No more permits. No cell towers (sheesh). No markers. No extra anything. If you can't handle it...stay away.
     Posted by Nat in reply to KKH  November 9, 2016 at 6:09 amFrom 192.175.42.x  Report Abuse 
     
    It's what it is - a wonderful area. We've been fortunate in the ballot from across the Atlantic - Our window of opportunity was small - hot, hot, hot end of July/early August. Leave it as it is - That's why it's protected - If it's hot, wet - be prepared!!! Love the area - Cherish it!!
 Posted by Manny Herrera  October 16, 2016 at 3:27 pmFrom 104.175.115.x  Report Abuse 
 
I understand the frustration of multiple lottery entries with no luck. That's how life is. Sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. I don't think additional permits should be given out. After having the opportunity to visit this location this past week I can see how the beauty of this remote location can be destroyed by more visitors. Its tough for a reason.
I was fortunate to earn a permit via the walk up lottery system. My father was with me on a National Parks trip and was able to visit this amazing location with me. The difficulty of obtaining a permit added to excitement once our number was called.
Keep the system as is. More patrols would be best as we experienced some hikers without permits.
 Posted by Kier  September 2, 2016 at 8:59 amFrom 24.176.170.x  Report Abuse 
 
Please don't increase number of permits! It's too small a place. Greater numbers would lessen the experience. As it is, it's a bit of a zoo at times. I was first in and last out for the day, just so I could experience the area in solitude - INCREDIBLE!

I like the idea of increasing odds with failed consecutive walk-in attempts. I spent 3 days walking in to the lottery. It was starting to get old (and expensive). I happily was chosen on the 3rd day. Maybe add a number/chance for each consecutive daily attempt for walk-ins? I've heard of people trying 10 times and not getting in. That doesn't seem fair when some people get in on day 1.
 Posted by CMAVAKIAN  August 20, 2016 at 9:22 amFrom 47.216.203.x  Report Abuse 
 
You should make a new voting poll with a numbered system. Which is the first thing most important, 2nd thing most important for safety and 3rd, etc. Because would have chosen at least that many, but only 1 is allowed. Is that possible to set it up for more than one vote and in which priority? thanks, it may be more helpful that way.
 Posted by Michael  August 11, 2016 at 9:58 amFrom 108.54.148.x  Report Abuse 
 
Give priority to US citizens in the "walk In" element of the lottery. I have attended several lotteries and there are always many very young foreign visitors who are there on a whim and have no respect for the land. You can see them on the other trails, kicking rocks, taking selfies and generally ignoring sensible rules to preserve the land.
     Posted by Jo Ostgarden in reply to Michael  August 18, 2016 at 2:51 pmFrom 24.22.91.x  Report Abuse 
     
    YES! I agree with this concept and it should be across the board for all national parks and monuments. But I don't think it's fair to blame foreign visitors for lack of respect. I bet they are no more likely to abuse national treasures than senseless american citizens. I have seen far more privileged whites abuse resources than foreigners.
       Posted by Seon in reply to Jo Ostgarden  October 1, 2016 at 8:13 pmFrom 116.126.204.x  Report Abuse 
       
      I am a foreigner, who tried to visit the Wave this September. For this trip I paid $3,000 for economy class air flight, $1,200 for 4WD rent car for 11 days, $2,500 for 11 day motel rooms, $800 for food, and $1,500 for gas, gears and souvenirs. But I did not get a CBN permit for 8 consecutive day lotteries this time. So I returned to my country w/o seeing the Wave. For a foreigner it is very expensive to visit the Wave. That may mean the Wave is more precious to a foreigner who seriously wants to see it. FYI, I have visited the Wave 5 times, and one time I got a permit at the 12th day after failing the 11 day lotteries. I think I spent more than USD 50K to my visits to the Wave.
 Posted by Jim Breeden  August 5, 2016 at 1:51 amFrom 167.78.4.x  Report Abuse 
 
My son and I hiked in the second week in July and saw no one. Of course it was fairly warm! Don't increase the permits. We showed up at the ranger station late and was told no problem, "No one goes in this time of year." From Florida
 Posted by Easy Ed  June 1, 2016 at 7:31 amFrom 131.191.93.x  Report Abuse 
 
Several friends and I have been trying to get a permit for the last 3 years, on line and in person. This year we hit. It was a great experience, and it can be checked off the bucket list. We were there May 15 and encountered less than a dozen folks the whole time - mostly Germans who were delightful to chat with while admiring the wave. We never saw a ranger and nobody checked our permits. Enforce what you have in place. It is worth the wait.

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