Sent a fixed penalty notice for 61 mph in a poorly signalled 50 mph stretch on the M62 at 10.22 pm. What's my best course of action?
Selection Votes 
Go to court and appeal 13%14 
Take the 3 points on my licence 15%16 
Do the Speed Awareness Course 68%71 
Other, please specify. 4%
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 Posted by Latia  April 26, 2017 at 7:37 pmFrom 198.55.108.x  Report Abuse 
 
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 Posted by benj  March 6, 2017 at 9:38 amFrom 90.199.90.x  Report Abuse 
 
Blow up the computer that's got the camera data stored, then blame ISIS.
 Posted by Ralph Musgrave  March 1, 2017 at 9:37 pmFrom 194.153.28.x  Report Abuse 
 
Say Vicky Pryce was driving the car.
 Posted by Steve  February 28, 2017 at 3:03 amFrom 5.133.19.x  Report Abuse 
 
I was about to blithely tell you to take the points, but remembered that in your situation I took the SAC.

I was able to take a half-day flexi from work though - I'm self employed now, and would take the points.
 Posted by Bayard  February 27, 2017 at 9:16 amFrom 81.140.235.x  Report Abuse 
 
I'd do the SAC. They are not that bad, and you can learn things. I learned that street lights = 30mph limit 99% of the time and that those speed limit signs with a black border are simply advisory, even though they have the delimit sign at the other end of the stretch.
 Posted by Penseivat  February 27, 2017 at 6:15 amFrom 82.18.218.x  Report Abuse 
 
When you say 'poorly signalled', what do you mean? Temporary road speeds signs may be just circular speed signs on metal easels. If it was, were it these that were poorly signed? Were they muddy? Were they illuminated so they could be easily seen, or not lit so they were difficult to see? Was the stated point/marker shown on the FPN any distance past the roadworks/hazard? If so, how far? Consider driving that route again, at the same time, using a car video camera, and with this evidence, go through the route in great detail. About 4 years ago, I had a similar experience on the M4, went through the video in court, and suggested that any guilty decision would be a victory of legislation over common sense. I received a slight telling off from the bench for my (alleged) overacting in my defence, but no fine, no points, and all my expenses paid. Since then, I've rested on my laurels and not chanced my arm again since. Still have a clean licence.
     Posted by JQ in reply to Penseivat  February 27, 2017 at 8:36 amFrom 90.215.40.x  Report Abuse 
     
    But if you drive it again, what's to say that the signs have not changed?
 Posted by Lord T  February 27, 2017 at 3:41 amFrom 31.103.167.x  Report Abuse 
 
As a matter of course and a fund raising exercise they set the closing of the speed restrictions up to a mile away after the road works are finished to catch people out. It is a disgraceful scam and worth commenting about on the course.
 Posted by ontheotherhand  February 27, 2017 at 1:27 amFrom 86.167.53.x  Report Abuse 
 
This is a bit of behavioural economics. It depends on the utility to you personally of fighting it and winning in court as against the extra cost beyond money and time of being forced to pay up for a futile SAC. Personally I got a lot of satisfaction once from getting an unfair bus lane fine retracted, even though it was about 15 hours work. The utility of that smugness was worth more to me than the 15 wasted hours.
 Posted by Jonathan Bagley  February 27, 2017 at 1:26 amFrom 130.88.123.x  Report Abuse 
 
Do the SAC. Can take it on a Saturday at a fairly convenient location. It's not all deadly dull. Dull, but you won't be wanting to scream.
 Posted by StevenL  February 26, 2017 at 8:31 amFrom 86.171.32.x  Report Abuse 
 
I'd do the SAC. The cops and prosecutors do often make a mess of their statements and paperwork. But it's not worth the risk for £60 a a days annual leave burned.
 Posted by Machiii  February 26, 2017 at 7:05 amFrom 176.24.233.x  Report Abuse 
 
Do the SAC. It's a re-education camp, with a PC agenda, but the one I attended had civility between those attending and the presenters, and you don't fail for being a dissenter.
 Posted by MikeW  February 26, 2017 at 7:02 amFrom 92.18.52.x  Report Abuse 
 
Do not know much about SAC thing. But my friend went along and later claimed that he was drunk while sitting in the classroom having safe driving explained to him. True or false. I was more impressed that his car was able to acheive such a feet to get him into trouble.
 Posted by Lola  February 26, 2017 at 6:54 amFrom 82.152.185.x  Report Abuse 
 
I think I posted on your blog about the SAC? Quite honestly they are mostly bollocks. They are all about 'indoctrination'. In your situation you were 'the man on the spot' and that gives you special knowledge not available the the speed limit setter bureaucrat. But given that we live under a fascist bureaucratic junta, do the SAC and use it as further evidence of the moral, legal and economic bankruptcy of the system.
 Posted by knirirr  February 26, 2017 at 6:33 amFrom 86.190.132.x  Report Abuse 
 
I was once on one of those courses where another attendee answered the question "why were you speeding?" with "the speed limit was set too low". AFAIK this did not cause him any problem.

The material covered in the course is not worth the time and money and easily available elsewhere, as you might expect.
 Posted by Mark Wadsworth  February 26, 2017 at 4:44 amFrom 81.106.8.x  Report Abuse 
 
In thirty years I've never had a speeding ticket, so yes, I do have a hitherto clean licence.
 Posted by Charles Renz  February 26, 2017 at 3:25 amFrom 174.22.48.x  Report Abuse 
 
Go to court and complain long that it was a speed trap take up their time they don't like
it . Then tell them you were traveling not driving which you have a right to do.
     Posted by Mark Wadsworth in reply to Charles Renz  February 26, 2017 at 4:42 amFrom 81.106.8.x  Report Abuse 
     
    Lets not muck about, I was driving.
 Posted by Anon  February 26, 2017 at 3:18 amFrom 95.145.0.x  Report Abuse 
 
If you've been offered a SAC, it suggests you have a clean licence currently. Best to keep it that way. You'd fight the last 3 points, so don't get the first 3.

Your other option is to ignore it. Some authorities are lax, and won't get around to forcing court action in the window they have to do so. But not all are, so this could make it worse...

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